On Monday, Professor Ralina Joseph spoke about her new book “Transcending Blackness” and mixed-race African American representations on KOUW.

When asked about what transcending blackness means, she replied, “I chose this phrase because I think it’s a really disturbing one; the notion that blackness is something that needs to be transcended, that needs to be gotten over. It is inevitably a lack, a slight, a mark as opposed to a positive, wonderful entity.”

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(Joseph’s interview begins at 13:30. And yes, there is a conversation about roasting penguins afterward.)